The Writing and Marketing Show
The Writing and Marketing Show
Writing Biblical Fiction
Biblical fiction seems to be becoming increasingly popular and more writers are turning to this genre. Today I discuss the why and how fo writing biblical fiction with best selling author, Amanda Bedzrah.
Hi, and welcome to the writing and Marketing Show brought to you by author Wendy H. Jones. This show does exactly what it says on the tin. It's jam packed with interviews, advice, hints, tips and news to help you with the business of writing. It's all wrapped up in one lively podcast, so it's time to get on with the show. And welcome to Episode 64 of the writing and Marketing Show with author, entrepreneur Wnedy H. Jones. This week, we're back on track, and we're going to be talking about writing biblical fiction with Amanda Bedzrah. And we've got a real treat in store for you. Before I introduce Amanda, though, hey, what exciting is happening in the world. Well, we're starting to open up a little bit here in Scotland, hairdressers have opened up, and we're going to be able to get our hair cut again. And I can tell you that an awful lot of women and men are very excited about that one and we might be able to appear on zoom looking halfway human for a while, and things are starting to look more hopeful. People are starting to get their vaccines. And that's always good. And hopefully we're moving through this and things will be able to look a bit more normal, whatever normal will be in the future. I would like to say that it's an absolute pleasure to bring you the show every month, every month every week and I love doing it. However it does take time out of my writing. If you would like to support that time you can do so by signing up art, Patreon. You can support me for less than $3 a month and for that is less than the price of a tea or coffee. And you can do it@patreon.com forward slash Wendy Jones and I would be very grateful. So what have Amanda, Amanda is a wife and a mother to three beautiful children. She's an author, a trained in active prayer minister with Ll ministries, an inspirational speaker, coach and mentor. She's also a passionate Bible teacher who uses practical examples to teach godly principles. Amanda is passionate about seeing women restored and living a full life beyond salvation. She is a senior NHS professional, a law graduate, a prince 2 practitioner and she's certified in business analysis practice. She is also the founder and CEO of empower a woman, a UK based nonprofit organisation that is set up to meet the needs of vulnerable women. Amanda has authored several books devotionals and journals. Her
latest book is titled Leah:unnoticed, unwanted and unloved. And I can say that Amanda is also a delightful, delightful lady. And I'm very much looking forward to talking to her. So without further ado, let's get on with the show and hear from Amanda. And we have Amanda with us. Welcome Amanda,
Amanda Bedzrah:Thank you so much for having me. Hello, everyone. Thank you. Thank you for having me, Wendy.
Wendy Jones:Well, listen, it's absolutely myy pleasure. Welcome to Scotland, even if it's only in a virtual sense.
Amanda Bedzrah:I feel like I'm there already.
Wendy Jones:Well, you should be one come the Glorious Revolution where we're all allowed to cross that border again. You can come and visit. It would be lovely to see you up here. So where are you at the moment?
Amanda Bedzrah:At the moment, I'm sitting in my house in Kent. I live in Maidstone in Kent. So I'm just yeah, looking out the window. It looks like a warm, sunny day, but it's not it's freezing outside.
Wendy Jones:You've obviously got the same weather as we've got here in Scotland, sun, snow, sun snow.
Amanda Bedzrah:Absolutely.
Wendy Jones:Absolutely. Anyway, that takes us nicely into biblical fiction because sometimes I feel like I'm living in the Bible, you know, with a blooming sun one minute snore the next clouds, you name it, we've got it all. And we've got to be talking about bigger biblical fiction today, which I'm very, very excited about, I have to say. So we need to set out what we mean by biblical fiction. We want to be clear about it. So what constitutes biblical fiction?
Amanda Bedzrah:Well, that's a really good question. Okay. So, in its simplest definition, the easiest way to think about Bible fiction is a work of fiction that uses characters, settings, stories, events, all taken out of the Bible. Be the extent of the fiction would vary. For some people. For some writers, they will use a huge amounts of imagination and very little amount of Bible text, or Bible stories or whatever it is that they've taken out of the Bible. For others. They will use Huge amounts of the Bible and less of the imagination so that it just feels like it's an expansion of the Bible. But it regardless of the degree of fictionalisation used, Bible fiction really is anything that comes out of the context of writing from the Bible. You can before should we use the word historically, you would say that it will be written by people who are Christian, so people who are Jews, but this is not always the case, like you would see there. Some Hollywood producers that have borrowed characters are stories from the Bible, and used it in such a way that, you know, people don't even know that they're from the Bible. It's not always recognisable. But really and truly biblical fiction is anything that that comes out of the Bible, whether it's a character's it sets in a story or an event, whatever it is, as far as it comes out of the Bible, it can be classed as Bible fiction.
Wendy Jones:Excellent. That's a brilliant overview, I have to say, because it's very clear, you know that there It starts with somebody or something in the Bible? No, I have to say, if you go on, if you go on Amazon, although maybe I'm not meant to mention that book shops are available. If you go on Amazon, and you search for Biblical fiction, my goodness, you should see the amount of books that come up, which means that it's obviously popular. What do you think it is about biblical fiction that makes it so popular?
Amanda Bedzrah:I think that it is the impact of the word itself. You know, you're writing straight out of the Bible that we know as Christians, we know that the Bible is God's word, we know that the Bible is alive, we know that the Bible is an amazing book that has the potential to change people's lives. And so any story that's written out of the word, it will be interesting, because the Bible is so interesting, but that there are other reasons like you know, for many, the stories will be recognisable. So people recognise the characters or they recognise the story or the events and, and they want to read more about it, they want to know more about the story. It's about something that they've prepared, or they've read or somewhere that they know. And the Bible, and Bible based fiction brings the Bible to life in a way that, you know, for some reason, the Bible just wouldn't. For other people, it answers some questions around a story. Why did this person do this? Or why did this person behave in that way? And so I think that that those are the reasons that makes it so popular because people find themselves or their situations or someone that they know, within the pages of the stories, and it sparks something within them, that makes the reader Connect deeply. And so this person tells the next person and the next person tells the next person and then people are, you know, wanting to read it and and because there's a demand for it, then the writers, the author is want to keep writing it because you know, people are buying the books and they're enjoying it.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, no, that's, that's a really good way of putting it I do think we do identify ourselves in those characters, because very often, they're going through things even 1000s of years ago, that we're going through ourselves in this day and age. It was ever lost, as they say, you know, and we do recognise ourselves. And you've mentioned, you know, about writers of biblical fiction, and that comes on quite nicely. To my next question. Why do you think it is that we, as writers should be considering writing biblical fiction? You know, what would you say to somebody that was considering it?
Amanda Bedzrah:Oh, well, I would absolutely say go for it. I mean, I think that's okay, let's put it this way. But the truth is, I don't believe that everybody is called to writing biblical fiction. That's the first thing. Because, you know, we're all as writers were drawn to, to one genre more than the author like you, I know you write crime fiction, it's not something that I've ever thought about doing. And it's not something that I would just do just for the sake of doing it, you have to have some kind of a passion for it, you have to have some kind of an understanding for it. So I will start with that perspective to say it might not be for everybody. However, I believe that if you're a writer and you are drawn to Biblical fiction, the reasons that you should absolutely go for it are so many I will just give you just a few. You know, when you write Bible based fiction, it gives context to Bible stories. It helps people to unpick it to unpack it to understand it. You write Bible based fiction and people they come in contact to characters that they've never heard from before, that are hidden within the pages of the Bible. You know, people that did such great things that are not necessarily talked about in church on Sunday. I'll give you an example the daughters of zelophehad these are five girls who their bravery changed history. But they are not so talked about, I found out about them from reading an article and then reading them reading their story within the pages of a book, and then going back into the Bible to read about them. So you know, there are things like that happen when writers rights, right Bible fiction. So if you're Let's wait, if it's something that God puts on your heart, then it's absolutely something that you should consider and you should go for, apart from the fact that it makes the Bible easier to read and understand, you know, depending on the extent of fictionalisation that the writer chooses to use, it can also ignite the love for Bible reading. So there are people that they fall in love with the Bible, just because they've read a they've read a story in the book that then leads them to the Bible that then, you know, brings them to the place where they want to be reading the Bible more. And as a Bible fiction author myself, that is one of the reasons why I enjoy writing Bible fiction, because my heart's desire is to lead people, you know, into the word because I know that when they read the Bible for themselves, it will change their lives. But it's also in good evangelical, so if so if that's the best way to describe it. So if you have people that are new to faith, or people who want to be able to talk to their friends about, about their faith without ramming it down their throat, or they don't feel like they can explain the Bible for themselves, they can give them a you know, a really good Bible based fiction book. And that would help their friends or their family, their loved one, whoever it is that they're trying to introduce Jesus, to, to read a book, to learn from that story, to enjoy that story to go to the Bible for themselves. And then he can spark a conversation. And I believe as Christian writers, I'm assuming that you're talking about Christian writers, as Christian writers, the opportunity to write Bible fiction so that we can have these benefits is something that we shouldn't pass. If we, you know, if if you're curious, or you're interested in the opportunity to be able to have a book that becomes a tool that introduces people to the word, or makes it easier for people to understand the Bible is just something that, you know, it's, it's of such great benefit that if you could write something, then I really would encourage you to
Wendy Jones:know, I can hear your passion there. And you really do have a passion for this, which is why I was so glad that I was able to interview you for this podcast, because that passion makes you good at what you do. And I'm curious if anybody listening to this is actually thinking about writing biblical fiction? Where do they start?
Amanda Bedzrah:Oh, well, prayer is always a good place to start. Start with praying about it and ask God if this is something that he puts on your heart, if it's something that he's leading you to, if it's something that he wants you to do. And then if you really want to write Bible based fiction, you have to start by being immersed in the Bible, you know, not just reading it, but studying it, you read you listen, you meditate on it. The great thing about the Bible as well is that it cuts across all genres of fiction. So if you wanted to write crime, you could, if you wanted to write romance, history, you know, inspiration, whatever it is, you love writing, there is a story in the Bible that you can use as a foundation. in that regards, the Bible is complete, it has everything that you need everything that you could ever wants to write about all you enjoy writing about. So as long as there is the desire, as a writer, you would find a story to write about, you know, just reads just search and just starts. I would say, though, you know, don't be discouraged if it's a story, or a character that has already been written about before. The truth is, because we are also different. And the application of our imagination is different. Even if you're writing about something that has been written before, it will be different, you know, you can tell the same story with a different perspective, and make an old story new. So the important thing is, you know, pray about it, get into the word, read the Bible for yourself, decide, you know, between yourself and God, because sometimes stuff is not as subjective decision, what area you want to write about what type of story you want to write about and just start, just go for it. You know, just go for it. The great thing about Bible fiction is that you don't have to use everything in the Bible. You could choose a scenario and events, a person, you can choose, you know, as as much of the Bible or as little as you want. Whatever it is that you choose to do, just know that you can start from wherever you are. And because you've chosen to, you know, right out of the Word of God, it's going to be something that's blessed. That's the face that I have. It's good. It's always going to be something that's blessed. Because you're writing out of the Bible that we know, is complete, and is blessed is the
Wendy Jones:Wow, what fabulous way of putting it and you're word of God. right, you need to start with prayer and immersing yourself in the Bible. That's a superb answer. And it will grow from that. Now, I know you focus on women of the Bible, and to be honest, the women very often ignored in the Bible. So it isn't something that's often considered for fiction. Why the women?
Amanda Bedzrah:Well, Wendy yo asked the question and you a swered it in the same q estion. The women are very l rgely ignored. Yeah. P rsonally, I know that I've b en called to women first, in r gards to the work they got i to school with regards to the m nistry that I do, so when I s eak when I teach, it's p edominantly to women first. A d I think that naturally, I w s just drawn to women in the B ble, because I'm drawn to e powering women in our, in our d y, and in our time today. So w en when I read about a woman i the Bible, it reminds me a out a woman that I've spoken t, you know, I've had dealings w th, taught to, I've mentored o whatever the situation is. So I feel that that was my natural d awing to women in the Bible, b cause I'm naturally drawn to w men even today. But also, when y u read about women in the B ble, their stories are so v ried and the rich, it's filled w th women that are courageous, i's filled with women that are b ave, it's filled with women t at are afraid women that have b en rejected. But it's also t ere also some stories of women i the Bible that would shock y u, like, you're like, this r ally happened, you know, the t ese women really do this. The f rst one that comes to mind, if I want to give an example is the i the women that, you know, b th of them had an agreement t at they were, they were in a p riod of farming, and they had a agreement that they were each g ing to eat their babies. You k ow, there's some crazy things t at happen in the Bible, and y u're like, Oh, my word. So t ere is so much to these women. A d they are real, they are r latable. And I think you said i earlier that even though the B ble was written over 2000 y ars ago, some of these s ories, in fact, majority of t ese stories, we can still find o rselves, our circumstances in t e lives of these women, even t day. So there's a lot that we c n learn from them. But there's a lot that we need to learn from t em. There's a lot that we need t draw out of these women that I feel so strongly about being a le to present their stories to t e world, you know, so that w men that read it, they they k ow that they're not alone, t ey know that what they're g ing through, is not something t at's new, you think about the a ount of women that are still w nting to have babies, and they a e waiting on God. But then the a ount of women in the Bible t at waited 10 years, 20 years, s me women waited up to 50 y ars, think about Sarah and I d dn't have a baby till she was m ch older. These things are s ill happening today. And these a e stories that we can tell, t at can still change lives t day that can bring peace can b ing comfort, can bring e couragement. And you know, I'm s re you know, I just love my w men in the Bible. But insane t at even though my first Bible f ction novel was about a woman, a d I've got so many more plan, G d has interrupted my plans by g ving me a novella to write a out a man in the Bible, which I did struggle with. It's a bit. B t you know, for me, writing B ble fiction is a ministry. And s I have to subject myself to G d's direction, because o herwise then I'm not writing f om a place of spiritual a ointing I'll just be writing f om a place of well, I can w ite so I'll do it. And I don't w nt to ever do that with any of m novels. I want the novels t at I bring out to be books t at have been God breathed. God l d God directed and you know t at his anointing is on it, as o posed to me just writing out o my gifting. So yeah.
Wendy Jones:Wow, I love that answer. Your answers are amazing. I'm learning not only am I learning a lot, I'm learning. You know, you're obviously based very biblically, and you're coming from a place that you're completely soaked in God and what is he wants? And that's, that is superb.
Amanda Bedzrah:Thank you so much for saying that
Wendy Jones:No, it's true. o when you decide to write iblical fiction, and what is it ou're looking for in a charac er that makes them a good subjec for a novel?
Amanda Bedzrah:Aha, okay, so I really liked this question. Let me be honest, when I started thinking, you know, I felt led to write Bible fiction. And the way that I thought was going to go about it was I was just simply going to choose, you know, you choose somebody that I ever liked the sound of the person or I like this story, and the story sounded interesting. And I thought, yeah, people would really enjoy this. But then I found that when I started to write about them interesting work, you know, it didn't flow naturally, it just, I couldn't really do it in a way that made any sense. So instead, I go back and I say to God, well, it's your word, I'm your vessel. What do you want me to write about? Who do you want me to write about that way, it's much easier. And it's I'm not saying that I have the kind of relationship with God, where I say what you want me to write about who you are what you write about. And then the military responds, you know, it doesn't work that way. But when I put my heart in a position of prayer, and then I start reading the Bible, then I find myself with with a burden or a question about a character. And then suddenly, I'm so drawn to this character that I stopped being in general, what was it like for this person? What did they go through? What did this mean for them, and it brings out some emotions in me, that leaves me feeling very unsettled. And immediately, I know that God wants me to do something with this person, or God wants me to do something about this scenario. And so I start to look into it a bit more, I start to pray about it a bit more. And the types of people that I look to write about or that become a good subject in answering your question, are those people that leave me feeling unsettled? Those stories that make me on easy, or the stories that I can relate to the stories that keep you up at night? That kind of makes you start thinking?
Wendy Jones:How did this happen to this person?
Amanda Bedzrah:How was this allowed to happen? You know, what would have felt like if I was this person? Because I feel like those stories are the answers to those stories, or the answers to some of the questions that we're still asking, even today. You know, it doesn't matter who this, who the character is, or what the event is, the fact that it's left me feeling uneasy, or as drawn out some emotions in me, I feel like other people will be able to relate to that, like they will be able to connect with that scenario, that circumstance. And for me, that just becomes somebody that I want to write about.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, like that. The fact that you, you know, it needs to be someone that you feel you can write about, you need that connection. And I think, yes, he probably brings it to life more.
Amanda Bedzrah:Yes, absolutely. Because suddenly, their stor becomes my story, their burd ns become my burden. And I feel like I can relate to them, all wants to relate to them, I want to be able to understand them I want to be able to expl in them. And you know, it's just it's just worked for me. So f r.
Wendy Jones:Roland, often does very well in the Bible about certain characters. And I'm intrigued, because I wouldn't know how to do this, how do you draw the story out further to make an interesting novel?
Amanda Bedzrah:Okay, so this, this is always a challenge, to be honest, like you said this, there are some characters in the Bible that, you know, there's only one or two lines about them. But even if they're not the main character in your in the novel, you still want to be able to interweave their story with a main character in the novel. And even sometimes the main character in the novel, you just have some, you know, some text or some scriptures about them, that doesn't give you the full context. So it really does start to get challenging. And it's at this point, that you have to decide how much imagination wants to use and how much Bible text, you know, my preference is to stay as close to the Bible as possible. In fact, I make sure that I use up every single bit of information from the Bible first, and then I start to read my imagination into it. But I also know that although these these are people that are in the Bible, they actually existed. And then there are some historical data about their lives that can be found in you know, either in Jewish history or in Greek history, or Roman history, depending on what character what, what parts of the Bible you're writing about. And if you take the time to do some research, you would find out a bit more information about those characters. Or even if it's not about those characters in particular, you can find some information around similar characters that will be able to give you an insight. So for example, if I was writing about let me say I was writing about Sarah, the Bible describes her as beautiful, but what does beautiful mean to a Jewish woman? So I can go back into history? And, you know, look at what either pictures of what Jewish women looked like in those days or read an article or something about Jewish women, you know, where they predominantly do they predominantly have black hair, brown eyes, do they have olive skin? Those kinds of details about similar characters are things that you can then take into your novel that makes it a bit more real or gives it a bit more context. You know, what when you try as much as possible to capture the culture of the time And write it from that context. What was the Jewish culture? What was the Roman culture at the time? What did they eat? How did they behave? Where did they leave? What was the tradition, and you use those things as a story fillers, to enhance your characters to even inform some of the decision making. Because if you understand the context, in regards to the religion, and in regards to the culture of the time that you're writing about, then it might make it easier for you to understand it from the Bible's perspective. But if if I do borrow information from Jewish history, or you know, Roman history, or whatever, I tend to make sure that I put that in my office notes so that people know where the information has come from, to some extent. And then try to say, Well, some of this is my imagination. But some of this has been borrowed from some research that I've done. But one thing that I personally don't want to do as a Bible fiction author, is to confuse people by being so way off from what's in the Bible, and writing something that is so contrary to what's already in the Bible that makes people that he starts to become heresy, you know, but people who start, what is this about? So I would use the information that is in the Bible that people know, and they can recognise, and they know that that's the truth of God's Word. And then add to it, as opposed to, you know, doing this in the opposite direction, where you've written this whole whole imagination, and then you're adding a little, a few lines from the Bible, if there's information about the person in the Bible, use what's there, as opposed to going to go and do something else. And not using what you have in the Bible, then it just becomes a very fine line. But you know, I can't speak for you know, all Bible fiction offers, some people choose to do it to do the exact opposite. They just use the name of the character or use a bit of information. And then they fill it with, you know, so many other things that are not in the Bible. But I just choose not to do that, because I don't want my readers to be confused. When the know the truth of God's Word. And I'm saying something that's completely different.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, you raise some really good points there. And that leads me into my next question, which is, can you tell us a bit about your book, Leah, and how you went about writing that?
Amanda Bedzrah:Leah? LEAH, Leah, oh, my word what a woman. Like I said earlier, Leah, Leah started as a burden on my heart, really. The story for Leah started my journey for Leah started some three and a half, four years ago. And I remember just reading her has her love triangle story between herself, Jacob and Rachel. I'm thinking to myself, Oh, my word, what would you have felt like to be that woman? What would he have felt like to be the woman that was forced into a marriage by her father? Mother mine, a man that was thrown to a sister, a man that she clearly knew loved. Her sister didn't have never looked at her. There's nothing in the Bible to suggest that he had even spoken to her. He probably did. I mean, he lived there for seven years. And you know, they were communing with family. But there's nothing in the Bible to suggest that. So what would it have been like for her to just be that person that wakes up the next morning? He looks at her and there was that immediate rejection? How would she have felt? So that was how Lisa restarted? For me it was a burden. What did it feel like for her. And, you know, it's not even just the rejection from her from her husband, Jacob, it was the rejection from a sister as well. This is her sister that she's grown up with her whole life, you know, they must have had a good relationship, there's nothing to suggest otherwise. And now, she's in a battle. She's in some kind of a war. And it's not even with a stranger. It's with her own sister, Rachel and Leah story is one of those that I went into Jewish history and Jewish history has a wonderful, you know, they they go into some detail about these sisters to the extent of saying that, you know, they were twins. And that's, you know, there's so much about their story that I could have taken from Jewish history by chose not to. But, you know, it was such a difficult period. And it was such a difficult marriage for the three of them. And to the extent that it was passed as law that a man could never marry two sisters, you know, ever again. So in writing Leah, I had to not only started with reading what's in the Bible and being burdened by it, but wanting to go into their history wanting to find out as much information about them as I could about you know, about Leah and Rachel and, and Jacob, about their families about the way that they lived about, you know, their culture at the time was it really, you know, where, where their father Laban says it's, it's it's never been done, that the older would be given him tomorrow. The younger will be given information before the older sister, I needed this one find out was that true? You know, was he lying? And the only way I could answer those questions was by going back into Jewish history to understand their culture and the context in that time. And there's a lot of information out there, you know, really, the good thing with all the search engines and the theologians that we have is that there are people that have taken the time to go back into history to pull this information together, that makes it a bit easier for those of us that want to write about it to be able to go look for the information, read the information, take the information, and use it in the book. So writing Leah really was about Firstly, understanding the context, and then using the story in the Bible. So I literally when I was writing my chapters, I was taking scripture, and then writing around scripture, that was the way I read Lia, writing around scripture. And writing it methodology methodological can, I can't pronounce that word, you know what I'm trying to see what you mean. And I'm writing it that way, step by step, page by page journey by journey and wanting to take each a bit, but fill it with human emotions, fill it with conversation, fill it with, with a storyline that made it a love story. With its twists, and it's turned, but then it's happy ending as well. So it started out. It started out sad, for lack of better word, it was really sad for Leah, but it ended up it ended up the way they ended up in the Bible as a as a beautiful love story, which really what it is, it's a story of a woman that many women find themselves in today, you know, a lot ofmarriages that the they're constantly rejected. There are a lot of people in relationships with people that don't love them. So it might not even be in a context of a marriage. It might be father to daughter, it might be, you know, sisters to sister, it might be friend to friend, people find themselves in situations where they are rejected, they are unwanted, they are loved by people that they desire that love from. And the real lesson is just because man rejects you doesn't mean that God does. And I think that that's the heart of Leah's story, that even if you're in get rejected by man, you are totally and completely accepted by God. And that actually God will look on the injustice that's been done to you. And he will bring a reward, he will bring a comfort, he will bring something into your life that you might not necessarily related to what's going on, but he sees you. He really is the God that sees us. And that was Leah's story. So, you know, I started from that perspective, I allowed God to use me and I just wrote the story in a way that it has just ended up being really, really beautiful. And I'm grateful to God for it. I can't, I can't even begin to take any credit for it. It really is a work of God, because I feel like Leah story really needed to be told there are people that have common upsets me I never solely in that, from that perspective. I always saw Lee as the woman who stole her sister's husband really, but that's what the Bible says, you know. So it has been shocking. For some people. There have been people that are team Leah, Tim Rachel, people that have been like, Oh my God, why do you write Rachel in this last, but I'm like, Well, if you really take the time to read the Bible, I haven't written anything. That's contrary from what the Bible has said about Rachel. It's just, you know, sometimes we're so we're so emotional about, about reading the scripture that we don't take the time to dig a bit deeper. And I think that that's what Leah does, that what the novel does is going into, into the individual lives and being able to expose it in a bit that makes it easier for people to understand. So they go back and they read the Bible with a fresh perspective. And they see the truth of the story for themselves.
Wendy Jones:Excellent. Well, that brings me to my very final question because we always have to finish at some point. And it's where can my listeners find out more about you and your books? Okay, so
Amanda Bedzrah:to find out more about me, you, you can go to my website, which really is my full name.com so it's Amanda bedroom calm. To get any of my books, you can, you know, of course, get them on Amazon, my books are all my books on Amazon, all my books you can get from my website, but you can also when it comes to leave, I've set up here in such a way that you can go into any bookstore, any major bookstore around the world, and you can order yourself a copy of Leah, as well.
Wendy Jones:Well, that's brilliant when the bookstores reopened, go and support the books Doors, especially Christian bookstores.
Amanda Bedzrah:Absolutely. Yes.
Wendy Jones:Thank you very much, Amanda. It's been an absolute pleasure having you here. And thank you for sharing your wisdom today.
Amanda Bedzrah:Thank you so much for having me. I've really enjoyed this interview.
Wendy Jones:It was absolutely My pleasure. So thank you once again. Have a good day. Bye. Bye. That brings us to the end of another show. It was really good to have you on the show with me today. I'm Wendy H. Jones. And you can find me at Wendy H jones.com. You can also find me on Patreon where you can support me for as little as $3 a month which is less than the price of a tea or coffee. You go to patreon.com forward slash Wendy h Jones. I'm also went to h Jones on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Pinterest. Thank you for joining me today and I hope you've found it both useful and interesting. Join me next week when I will have another cracking guest for you. Until then, have a good week and keep writing. Keep reading and keep learning