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Exploring Search and Rescue: Insights from Expert Lynn Random
Join Wendy H Jones as she engages in a fascinating conversation with Lynn Random, a seasoned volunteer and expert in the field of search and rescue. With a rich background in advertising, marketing, and public relations, Lynn brings a unique perspective to this critical area of community service. Her stories are riveting; from volunteering with local canine search and rescue to gracing writers' conferences as a guest speaker, Lynn inspires as she shares her wealth of knowledge.
This episode covers more than you could ever imagine about search and rescue. Lynn unravels the world of search and rescue operations, detailing the specific roles of dogs, providing insights into their training, and even unveiling the need for articles like clothing or a hairbrush in operations. What's more? You'll hear intriguing stories about search and rescue dogs, including a captivating account of how eight dog teams were instrumental in a water search for a deceased person.
But this episode isn't just about search and rescue; it's about community service, it's about writing gripping narratives, and it's about understanding the significance of these aspects in crime stories. As Lynn shares her journey from being an advertising professional to being involved in search and rescue, we gain insights into the importance of giving back to the community. She also provides valuable advice for those interested in this field and authors seeking to write compelling search and rescue storylines. So, whether you're an author, an enthusiast, or someone simply intrigued by the world of search and rescue, sit back and take in an hour of captivating insights from an industry expert.
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Speaker 1:Today I'm going to be talking about search and rescue and different types of search and rescue, including Cadover search and rescue Today with author Lynn Random, and I am very much looking forward to that. It sounds like a fascinating subject and I can't wait to dig into it Again. Another short interview because I'm recording back-to-back interviews while I get ready to go to the States, because I want things to be ready. When we get to the States, and when you listen to this, I will be on a train on the way from Washington DC to Virginia. I'll be on an Amtrak train, so I'll be listening to it in America and I cannot wait for that either. It's getting very exciting. There's lots of events while I'm out there. One of the ones I'm particularly looking forward to is getting witchy with it. In Salem, massachusetts, in September and it's the 17th of September I will be doing a book signing up there and I cannot wait. I can't wait to see Boston, I can't wait to see Salem and I can't wait for some nice warm sun, although they are having it really tough out there. So for all my friends in America and Europe that are listening to this, I am sorry you're having such a tough time in a heatwave, but we're not having any sort of heatwave in Dundee. It's warm-ish, it's sunny, but the clouds come over, the rain comes down, it gets a bit sunny again. But we're not here to discuss the weather, but I just feel sorry for the people that are sweltering it out in 100 degrees. That must be tough. But I'm very much looking forward to getting over there and getting some sun, as well as doing some book signings and meeting new readers.
Speaker 1:Before we I introduce Lynn Random. I would like to say it's an absolute pleasure to do this show every week. I do it willingly and I love spending time with you. However, it does take time out of my writing time. So if you would like to support the show, you can do so by going to patreoncom forward slash wendy h jones and supporting me for three dollars a month and that's the price of a tear coffee per month and I would be very grateful and it would let me know that you want me to continue with the show and we're heading up for four years of the show soon, in January. So it would be great if you know it could continue after that, because I am loving it and we've got some amazing, amazing interviews lined up for you, some amazing shows.
Speaker 1:So what of Lynn? Well, I met Lynn through the Sisters in Crime Organization because we're both sisters and I mean sisters in crime, not in real life so and it was delightful to meet her and when I found out that she did search and rescue, I just knew I had to interview her for the show. So Lynn Random has an over 40 years experience in advertising, marketing and public relations and is recognized in who's who as an industry leader in international marketing. Lynn has been a frequent guest speaker at National and Regional Writers Conferences Sister in Crime, romance Writers of America, the Florida Writers Association, the Mystery Writers of America and is a former board member of the Florida's Publisher Association. Her romance novels offer readers spintingling suspense, action-packed excitement and characters that sparkle with intensity and emotion. Reviews state over and over that her novels are fresh, with multi-layered plots.
Speaker 1:Lynn joined the local canine search and rescue after 9-11 and has trained and worked as a volunteer in her local area. Her dog hunter was a cad of her dog. In addition, lynn lives with her husband and four dogs in Central Florida. Her pastimes are reading, writing and enjoying nature a woman after my own heart. So, without further ado, let's get on with the show and hear from Lynn, and we have Lynn with us. Welcome Lynn. How are you today? Good morning.
Speaker 2:Good morning. I'm doing fine speaking to you from beautiful Central Florida. I'm about 40 minutes from Walt Disney World, so went out on Sunday night and watched one of the Starlink satellite launches from our living room.
Speaker 1:So yeah, well from outside our house. Yeah, I'm not jealous in the slightest, not me, oh, I'm so jealous.
Speaker 2:you're in Scotland, my goodness. Who isn't jealous?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, everybody always wants to be somewhere. They're not Now. I believe today you're wearing something very special just for our show, which I'm very excited about. Can you tell the listeners?
Speaker 2:Yes, so today we're going to talk about search and rescue and search and recovery. So this is about finding a live or a person who is no longer with us, and so we're going to talk about that. If you have something in your book or you are personally interested as I became interested in search and rescue, you know then I'm going to give you some good basic information and, of course, you can contact Wendy on her website for additional information and she's welcome to get in touch with me with any of your personal questions. Happy to help.
Speaker 1:Excellent. Well, thank you very much for joining us. It really is. I know you're a busy lady, so taking time out to help me, to help all of us, is really kind of you. So I'm really curious and I want to start with this because how did you become involved in search and rescue?
Speaker 2:I have been a volunteer person all my life, giving back, giving service to the community, and for many, many years I was involved in Boy Scouts of America, which began in England and in the UK, and what happened was my son became an Eagle Scout and was on his way to college, and about that time it was the time of 9 11. And I was very intrigued by the search and rescue jobs and, knowing that I'd already worked with dogs and horses in various capacities, I thought this was the new. You know, this was something I could do. And once I got into it one step further, it's like there are people that will do rescue and people who do recovery, and you have to be of a predisposition to do recovery. The reason is because when you go out to find someone who has passed, they're not going to be in a solid form leaning against the tree. There's various stages, so you have to be mentally prepared for that.
Speaker 2:So there was a big, real need for that and I want to give a shout out this morning, while I was preparing for our meeting this morning, to the wonderful and very active search and rescue community Sardis of Scotland, and the search and rescue dog association of Scotland is a Scottish charity which trains dogs and their handlers to search for missing persons. Sardis is a part of the Scottish mountain rescue team, a group of dog handlers. They support the mountain rescue team in search for missing people and, of course, also work with police, and all the volunteers are handlers. So if you're looking, if you're in Scotland or anywhere in the world and this is of interest to you, contact your local search and rescue team. I can assure you hands down that you're going to find people that are going to be very you know, very pleased that you're there and very pleased to help you.
Speaker 1:Excellent, that is really good advice. Thank you, and for those listening elsewhere in the UK, there will be a one in England and Wales and Ireland as well, I can absolutely assure you. So thank you for that. That was really interesting. But I'm curious can you tell us about what search and rescue dog teams do?
Speaker 2:There's two basic types of search and rescue dog teams. One is search and rescue. These dogs are searched for a live person. So, for instance, a missing child who's wandered away from a camp in Alzheimer's patients, someone with dementia it could be something that wants to maybe do bodily harm to themselves, it could be, you know, they're missing on a hike. So we are the search and rescue team looks for live people. Search and recovery we're looking for the remains of a human and you're also. These dogs are search dogs.
Speaker 2:Recovery dogs are referred to as cadaver dogs and that's what my dog was. She was a cadaver dog and I was specifically trained for that. I got her at age 12 weeks and we weren't sure until she was almost a year old that she could handle the scent of cadaver, because it does smell different. Not all dogs of search and rescue dogs, not all dogs are cadaver dogs. And she was a golden retriever and again, that breed is predispositions and she was able to accept it. And then I too had to be psychologically prepared for the type of find you know that would be in my path. So there's two types there's search and recovery and search and rescue. Our search and rescue team always trained twice a month, and we did so in the hopes that we'd never be called, you know, for an actual live search. We hope everyone was safe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can imagine nobody wants to be doing it for real because it's such a horrific thing to have to do, but it's necessary and we are grateful that there are people that and dogs who are willing to do it and other different types of search and rescue teams. But are there, you know, are there different types of search dogs? Are some dogs more suited to?
Speaker 2:it than others. Yes, they are, and very quickly. If you're looking for a search dog, you want one with a long nose. Brought my little model today Because what happens is when they smell it goes up into the circulatory sensory glands. To that and with the bloodhound they have the ears and it almost works like a cone to where it drives up the scent. So that's why they're the gold standard. But so the types of? So you want to go the dogs, the pugs, the bus interiors, the English bulldogs with short snouts. They don't have that range to totally adapt to the scent. So that's why you want a dog with a with a longer nose, and they don't have to be a bloodhound, they can be any type of dog, as long as they're. You know they have a long nose to do that.
Speaker 2:But there's the types of dogs. There's tracking and trailing dogs. Those are the dogs that people are most see, mostly on television and in movies. You know that those are the dogs that either walk on top of the scent or they walk to the side of the scent. I want to interject right at this moment that what happens is we have about 3,000 little cells on our body. If I were to walk from here to the door and back. I will discard these little skin particles and that's what the dogs are picking up on. Their sense of smell is so strong we don't smell it, but the dogs are able to sense and that's the track that they follow.
Speaker 2:So there's tracking and trailing dogs. There's cadaver dogs, which I mentioned. These dogs are specially trained and are adaptable to the scent of remains. There's air-sensing dogs, water recovery dogs, and how they work is if they know there is a body, if you will, in a lake. What happens is the cells and the scent rises up to the water. But when it hits the water it's moving. There's wind and these dogs kind of, you know, they pick up on that scent and they will alert and drive the owner to. You know, as in pointing you know that they're most excited. They follow that scent to find where they might be able to recover remains.
Speaker 2:Now the so that's water recovery dogs. There's avalanche dogs that define skiers in 15 foot of snow. When they see they'll go down. And all of these dogs are very play-driven, you know they're very, very, very active dogs. So you know that's the type of breed that comes with them. Dogs are able to do this because they have over two million scent receptacles in there when they take in a scent or a smell, and we have like five million. So they have 200 million. So they have a lot more than you know, than we do, of course.
Speaker 1:Wow, that is fascinating, Seriously. I'm learning so much today and you think you know about Search and Rescue oh, the dogs go out, but you don't really, because so much goes into it in the background and knowing how they do it is really interesting. I'm sure this sort of thing for the crime writers that listen to my show and I know there are a lot of them because I'm in Sisters in Crime, as are you we are sisters in crime and this sort of information is absolutely vital.
Speaker 2:It's important to get it right. I was watching one of the CSI shows on television, just literally screaming at the TV because they had like three search dogs running back and forth right behind them and the dogs weren't really, they weren't national, they weren't national Nesar certified, you know. You could really tell they were just out there for a walk or enjoying it, and eventually, two or three minutes later they found a body about four foot away. And I was just screaming at the TV. I was like, oh my gosh, any dog worth its grip would have smelled the scent there. And just they had it all wrong.
Speaker 2:So I think it's important. It adds. It adds, you know, integrity to an author's writing, to get the facts right. I know I certainly, with all of my books I always go that extra mile to make sure that the information is correct, because it also helps people that are interested in search and rescue. So but if anyone has a particular question, they're welcome to ask me about it and I'll be happy to say no, that wouldn't happen. But may I suggest this? So or yes, that sounds spot on. So yeah.
Speaker 2:That's really a challenge.
Speaker 1:So I know we've talked about what the search and rescue teams do, but can you explain the different types of searches?
Speaker 2:Well, there's different types of searches and the dogs are trained on different arrays and for specific tasks. For instance, in my own city, here in Orlando, florida, there's an urban search and rescue team. I did not participate in that and, but they go in and they search for human survivors. If a building is collapsed or, you know, if something had happened to you know they were expected to also in a particular area, they'd want to find people and those are urban disaster search dogs.
Speaker 2:I did wilderness search and rescue dogs and we looked, as I said, for hypers and children who'd wandered a right way from the campsite. And then there's air-sensing dogs, the water recovery dogs. You know, as I mentioned, and you know so there's different type of dogs. It's like my husband says get the right tool for the job. You know so, you. So, while some dogs can be cross-trained in search and rescue and search and recovery, most dogs are trained in a particular modality. The hunting breeds, as I mentioned, are actually the best. These dogs are bloodhounds, german shorthaired pointers, golden retrievers, and in our group we even had a couple of beagles.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness, beagles, you had to be involved.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it was very cute and I see the dogs. There were two of them and they were very aggressive, but when they got on the scent they howled, and not that I'd ever want to be lost, but if I ever wanted to be lost I certainly wanted it to be by a beagle or a happy golden retriever, then maybe a rottweiler or something. They were delightful dogs. Any dog can be trained and any dog at any age can be trained. Ideally you want to work with dogs from. I started my dog at 12 weeks old, their ideal age of when they go through all their certification, the hemiplegosophia certification. You're looking at about two, age two to about age seven. After that time they can still have, they turn into wonderful pets and they can go out and maybe assist.
Speaker 2:But when you're talking about human life, it's very critical that you have a dog in the peak area, prime of their life, just as you would want a person that is in peak condition going out and searching for a loved one. I've had people come up. You have to be careful what you say to people during a search because they always say well, you go out and find Uncle Joe and you can't say, you can't give an authoritative response. You have to say something lighter because you can't give any false hope. If you would, you want to go out and find them and hopefully you're going to find that rescue and be able to bring them home. My go-to statement is when people came up to me and said well, you find my husband for me and tears in their eyes just clutching me, and I would say God knows where they are and I pray every day that we're going to get directed to that location. But you have to understand the dogs and go through the training.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, that's it really is. You don't realize just how much goes into it and the specifics of it all you know. I'm wondering are you allowed to share any stories, or is that not possible?
Speaker 2:There's some that I'm not able to and of course I would discuss those, but I would like to share a story about a water recovery, and this happened right after I joined. I was not on the search but I was very aware of it. But there were eight dog teams and I remember the location was up in Georgia and they knew that a deceased person was in a body of water and that they knew that it was in a bottom mile Well, they had eight dog teams on some flat boats and some air boats and things and they all went out into this body of water, spreading out throughout the entire mile, and all of a sudden all of the dogs started to learn. So they know everybody was looking at because one, you know they were up to a mile or two mile, you know, away from the people. Well, what we found out later was that in we had an American Civil War in 1860, 1864. And some of the dead were put into coffins and buried up on this little hill overlooking the stream. As the 140 years or so has passed, what happened was the caskets that they were put in disintegrated as the parts of the bone and went down to the water system, went down into the stream and all of these dogs in this one mile area were alerting at the same time.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh. So that I mean that these dogs are absolutely amazing and you know, we've, you know people have lost children, were able to find them, and I'd like to share with anyone listening right now that if they have a child you know that they're concerned with or they love, or you know, or certainly a toddler, get a piece of plastic baggie, you know, don't touch it, but put your hand in a plastic like a baggie, get some gauze, take the dogs, rub it on the child's tummy and then take that and put it into a plastic baggie, seal it up and put it in the plastic baggie and you know, 10 years, if the child decides he wants to run away from home, or you know, or you're concerned about, you can go, take that, that out and, and you know, let the dog slanted and, like the doctor I'm not making Senate and then making the child from there.
Speaker 2:Wow, what a fantastic tip Sure, and most, most people, most of and of course, I'm aware of people going out and, you know, getting lost and things like that Most realize that you're all stuck and have a tree. Don't try to refine where you are. Most people, by the way, I also found within three, you know three, within miles of where they were last seen. So you know. So that's always a good to know, so, but we would need to to bond a set. We would need to have an article of clothing, maybe a t shirt or something that the people have worn, and also a hairbrush will go. Any of those things that don't will pick up on the inside. Wow, yeah, yeah. It's pretty amazing what these animals are able to do.
Speaker 1:It really is. Wow, I'm learning so much today. So what's involved in becoming a search and rescue dog handler?
Speaker 2:Well, I want to state, just like the starter does all of the people who help out and volunteer are volunteers and each dog and handler needs, in the US anyway, 600 hours of training to get their national search and rescue certificate. And is a pretty rigorous training. Plus you get additional training, especially with on top of what you are involved in. So, for instance, I was also taught in first aid and CPR and you know there might be hazmat training. There's some navigation training that you're doing, water recovery, you want to be able to swim, maybe scuba, you know. So you have to.
Speaker 2:You know all of the equipment you know are donated and brought by the person who is interested in and working with search and rescue. And if you don't have a dog, you're welcome just to show up, because I know when I was doing it, we were always looking for volunteers to come in and we would just take a little piece of dogs and rub it on the person and then they would go off into the woods and hide or somewhere where they were at, and then the dog we'd let the dogs go out and find them. So they were, you know, just very pleasant to do that. But you also have to read your dogs and, as I said, we used to train twice a month. I never had to use it.
Speaker 1:Excellent, I mean, that's again, you know the insights. Brilliant, because for writers I mean, but it's interesting anyway. Over and above that, it's fascinating, it really is.
Speaker 2:Please let your listeners know that national for in the US anyway national search and rescue. We won't inject ourselves into a law enforcement investigation, we just don't. It's in our bylaws. And then sometimes you know there's somebody's got a bloodhound or dog it smelled good, you know, and he'll go down there and if he's not trained he's liable to take law enforcement. You know, around the around the moon and you know, and so you have to have make sure that the dogs are certified, you know, in their training in order to have the ability to do this. But yeah, people will get their dogs. You need to go through training, you know, in order to be able to facilitate, you know, search and rescue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's good. That's a good tip actually. Thank you. So if a listener was interested in helping with such investment, where would they start? I'm sorry, if a listener one of my listeners was interested in following this path, where would they start?
Speaker 2:Well, the first thing that I would do is um for a uh and uh. There's also going to be lots of stories and information. I'm so sorry. My dogs are barking in the background.
Speaker 1:There's no worries.
Speaker 2:I gave them all chewing, but when we started, just so this wouldn't happen. Um, but but anyway, um, the join us at local search and rescue. Either as a volunteer you can volunteer to go out and search, uh, or you know you can show up with a dog, uh, and and just, and they will help you train that dog. So the people are very wonderful in this organization. They're always looking for recruits.
Speaker 2:So, uh, again, if I uh, one of the things you want to do as a writer is is to just follow a procedure. So, for instance, let's say there's a lost child that's out, that is lost, so uh, and you've, the parents have already called and exhausted the friends and places that the child might go, and then you can bring in law enforcement. Then you also want things like getting a, a poster or something of the child and do an organized search. And, uh, you know, and go door to door. And then, of course, you can start with a search on rescue dog, you know as well, and get the team to come as well, or you know, simply playing, how to do it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Okay, If an author had has a search and rescue storyline, can you give us some tips on how they can write it?
Speaker 2:Well, um, it's really a kind of a show, don't tell kind of person. So again, what I would do is to is to have somebody, uh, pair it, you know, a search and rescue team, so that they can actually watch the dog work. And again, there's different types of of of law, so, um, but anyway, so there's different types of searches that they can get on. So getting getting it's all right, don't?
Speaker 1:worry.
Speaker 2:I'm just anticipating, yeah, but anyway, um, so so that would be one thing. Another thing would be, uh, to take a look at their writing and your first criteria is who is the victim who is missing? Who do you need to find? Uh, why do you need to find them? Is there an urgency? And they're also, uh, as a writer myself, I would. You can increase the urgency, like, for instance, as the child of the person needs some asthma medicine or something, because when you create urgency, then then you can do that, and so just, you know, basically going out there and getting that information, then they could write about it.
Speaker 2:Um, dogs are very successful in finding, uh, someone, um, however, um, I'm going to say this anyway Uh, for instance, if we I've been on trails where we've followed people and then they, then they get to a certain area and the scent is gone, and so it could be because they boarded a bus, it could be because they, uh, we hit water. You know, there could be extenuating circumstances as to why the dog, you know, doesn't do it, but the dogs, dogs are correct, you know they will, they will find, you know what they need.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, so we've talked about you know the tips that we can write them well. Are there any specific pitfalls to avoid when writing search and rescue scenes in a book or a short story?
Speaker 2:I would say getting it right. You know, because if you uh do some searches, uh, you know, I mean I've seen things on TV and when you, when a author or a writer takes that step and they get the information wrong, they've probably lost all credibility. So you know, and and a lot of people will never return to read another book or novel or article from them again. So, uh, getting the information right is critical. Now you can, uh, as a, as a author myself, you know you can take a certain scenario and kind of tweak it a little bit. You know, for your characters, uh, you know, to adjust it to fit your storyline.
Speaker 1:Yeah, excellent, so can you please tell us about your own books?
Speaker 2:I've got 15 books so far. I'll have three more this year. I write in three genres. One, my new age genre, includes reincarnation. It includes court cutting. It includes, you know, the law of attraction, but the way I do it is through energy and visualization. I have five books that are romantic suspense. There's one paranormal in there which I'm rewriting right now, and then I also have another group of marketing books on how to write a book, how to you know and how to market a book.
Speaker 2:I came to the table with a whole lot of information. You know I was national director of an international advertising agency and I handled accounts worldwide hotels, resorts, theme parks. You know very multi-million dollar, you know entities, and so when I converted over to writing full-time, that's when I got into you know the different genres and you know, and I took my writing. But I also found out that so many writers come from different backgrounds, equally important To mine. You know there have been teachers, there have been all sorts of things, and they come to the table. So that's why I'm, you know, just want to make sure everybody gets the information correct.
Speaker 2:But I write romantic suspense, marketing books for new age entrepreneurs and authors as well, and my passion these days, as I know it is yours is to encourage authors, you know, to write and deliver their dreams. I spent 40 years and my was very well compensated, but unfortunately it wasn't what brought me joy. What brought me joy was being the writer and of course, today it's helping people write. So, yeah, depending on what a particular author is interested in, I would think that they're mostly crime dramas, you know. But you can bring the dogs out and just contact your local search and rescue team. Canine search and rescue team.
Speaker 1:Excellent, thank you. I know we do talk a lot and I've done a lot about crime, but you can use searching rescue scenes in other as well, like in a romance, a child could go missing, you know they've wandered off, and you know literary fiction or historical fiction, although again, with historical fiction you'd have to get it right because you'd have to think about when searching rescue with dogs actually started.
Speaker 2:You know, as a whole other scenario, Search and rescue actually became, went through a period of growth in the 1980s because of the Mexican building collapses due to the earthquake, and that's what the standard was raised. However, if someone's writing a story, novel, about a child or a gasoline distress or anyone you know, they can bring in. You know dogs have had this capability since the beginning of time. They've been our companions as we've hunted and you know they certainly can. You know if you have a set they can probably, you know, understand that you need to find, you know the child at the house so you know they can look that.
Speaker 1:So so my very final question is, as always where can my listeners find out more about you and your books?
Speaker 2:They can find more about me on my website, which is when randomcom. I sell my books exclusively on Amazon and I do have my own search and rescue book probably we'll get to it next year called Cold River Murders. I'll have that, but most of all my books can be found over there and of course, I'm delighted to help anyone you know answer with any questions of search and rescue or any of the expertise that I have.
Speaker 1:Excellent. Well, thank you very much, Lynn. This has been fascinating, One of the most interesting interviews I've done. I think I've got a great insight and I certainly shall be using your information in my search and rescue endeavors in my books. Not that I've always got them in every book, but when I do, I'll certainly know what to do. So thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I would just like to encourage everyone to join your Facebook page and also, you know and you can reach me on that page, so if you have questions about that, you can certainly ask me a question. I'm over there and I'd be very happy to answer any questions on behalf of the group and Windows group. And it's wonderful, encouraging, exciting Facebook page Everybody's lovely.
Speaker 1:If anybody wants to know what group we're talking about, it's women, editors, agents and publishers on Facebook. So thank you, Lynn. It's a very I have to say it's a good group. Everybody's very helpful and that's where I found out that you did search and rescue and hence the interview, and people are kind because you agreed to come on the show.
Speaker 2:I've done a lot of this. Happy to it anytime, and as these books come out, you want to know about ghosts. I'm rewriting it. I'm hoping for an October release, but you know very, very comfortable talking about ghosts. When you get up my age, you have a tendency to acquire a lot of skills. So I didn't have these in my 30s, but I'm somewhat knowledgeable now.
Speaker 1:Excellent. Well, thank you very much and enjoy the rest of your day.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me Such a pleasure and if you have a search and rescue story, contact your local search and rescue and, of course, if it's a specific question, I'd be happy to help you. You can help me on Wendy's Facebook page. Thank you, thank you Bye.
Speaker 1:That brings us to the end of another show. It was really good to have you on the show with me today. I'm Wendy H Jones and you can find me at wendahjjonescom. You can also find me on Patreon, where you can support me for as little as $3 a month, which is less than the price of a tea or coffee. You go to wwwpatreoncom, forward, slash wendahjjones. I'm also Wendy H Jones on Facebook, twitter, instagram and Pinterest. Thank you for joining me today and I hope you found it both useful and interesting. Join me next week when I will have another cracking guest for you. Until then, have a good week and keep writing, keep reading and keep learning.