Today I'm chatting to Debut Author, Jocelyn-Anne Harvey, about what life is like as a debut author, the publishing process and the steps you need to take on publication of your book. Even if we are experienced authors, it is worthwhile looking back to see what we did then and how that can help us now. There's something for everyone in here.
Today I'm chatting to Debut Author, Jocelyn-Anne Harvey, about what life is like as a debut author, the publishing process and the steps you need to take on publication of your book. Even if we are experienced authors, it is worthwhile looking back to see what we did then and how that can help us now. There's something for everyone in here.
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Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Oh hi, Wendy. It's so lovely to be on your show. I listen to them all the time. So it's fantastic to actually be a guest.
Wendy Jones:Well, I knew I wanted you as a guest because it was such fun. And when you did your book launch and things and you had your new book out, and it was so exciting. So I wanted to find out, you know what it really was like? Because I've been I've been publishing for years. And you you forget what it's like to be a debut author. So So where are you in the world?
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:That's a good question. So I live in Worthing, which is right down on the south coast of England. So it's sandwiched between the sea and the southdowns, which is great. Lots of different walks.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, I know the South. Yeah. I walked them for a week when I was in a Royal Navy. It was adventure training. We will have a class on it. It was thator sailing? I wasn't quite sure which I wanted because the Solent is a bit wild.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:And very busy.
Wendy Jones:We have a lovely, yeah, we had a lovely week in the south downs because it was sunny. So it was great, you know, nice place. And are you sitting comfortably? You're ready for me to ask you all these questions.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:I am indeed I'm very comfortable here. So fire away.
Wendy Jones:I know, I know that you're a consummate professional, and you will handle anything I throw at you with aplomb and professionalism say. Indeed. Right. So just to start off, can you tell us a bit about you and your books?
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Yeah, sure. Okay. Well, I've always loved writing, which I think is very much a writing thing. I'm currently in a middle of a career break. At the moment, I left the civil service A few years ago, which has given me the opportunity to focus a bit more on my writing time. And then I've had obviously this book published, not knowing but still going, which is published recently. And that book is all about the Noah's Ark story. And so I had sort of something happen here in waiting quite a few years ago, which made a strong impression on me, which made me sort of go back to the Genesis chapters, but we may think we know about Noah, but what about Mrs. Noah? That's what the book gets you think about because there were women on the ark and they weren't just passengers.
Wendy Jones:But I like how all the men were mentioned, do it by name, but all the women were just so and so's wife.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:I know and it kind of when you when you read that it makes you kind of not necessarily think of them. It's so much as characters, doesn't it if they don't have a name, but it doesn't actually take away from the fact that they were real. They were real people. They were real women living at that. That time. You went through that, you know, we've no Oh, and, and all of that kind of situation that they must have encountered with every every step of it. As soon as No, I mentioned about a flood in an ark, their lives a flood thrown completely into this whole strange new situation.
Wendy Jones:Precisely. Yeah. But there's more to it than that isn't there? Because it's not just the story of the women. It, it helps women think about their situation as well.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Indeed, yeah, there's this kind of link that I found when I was studying the story about that sense of not knowing because I felt that many times in, in my life, I, I've always wanted to have an idea of what I wanted to do. workwise is one example. But it's never been like a clear career path where you just stick to it. And then you progress through. So there's always been times where you've thought, What do I do next? And then also, when life just throws things at you, and you think I don't know the answer. I don't know how to handle this. And I thought actually, the women of the ark journey felt that right from that first point when obviously, no, Mrs. Noah master shared with them that news. And then they thought, well, we don't know what in our case, what's rain? What's this going to mean for us? And then even as the time progressed, they still had so many unknowns. Yeah, you know, even when the rain started, they still didn't know the next step. And I just thought, Well, how did they handle that? And how can I? How can I learn from this myself, and then be able to kind of share this? Share this with my readers?
Wendy Jones:Yeah, no, it's an excellent book, I have to say, the only I'm going to switch off my record my, my notifications, because this was what the ping was, there was a ping a minute ago. Okay, I just tell everybody what I'm doing so that we all know why I'm suddenly talking a lot of rubbish. In other words,
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Taht's technology for you.
Wendy Jones:This podcast is just, you know, a laugh a minute, and we just take it the way it goes, you know, and, and but people learn things anyway. So that's what it's about. But your book is very good. I was very fortunate to be able to review it. So, you know, if you go to wendy h jones bookaholic you'll be able to read the review, because it's an excellent book. And, and we'll get to that in a minute. So I'm curious, what was your route to publication?
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Okay, um, I guess there's a long and a shortanswer to it. Because you sort of say publication, don't you into a writer being published is like, wow, that's the sort of ultimate dream isn't it? That's the goal that you that you have. So I think I've always wanted to be published, I remember looking back in the library shelves as a kid thinking, Oh, ah, hobby. I've been that that that position of the section. But in the sense of not knowing but still going it's it's an interesting route to publication because I didn't actually write the non not it's a nonfiction and fiction book, I should add. So I didn't actually write that manuscript. First, what I started off with, was actually writing a fictional manuscript. So my initial idea was to kind of be able to put across the Noah's Ark story, in a book form, so sort of, to to explore the lives of the women. That's why I gave them the names they developed as characters. Yeah. And so I wrote that book first. And then obviously, did all the things that you do with that, like write your synopsis and your covering letter. And then I submitted that to a publishers incident, apostle. Yeah. And then that took a little bit of time for them to come back, give me some feedback. And then eventually, that led to them say that it wasn't the right book for them to publish,
Wendy Jones:right? Yeah.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:But what I also kind of knew at the same time, is that when I had the idea for the fictional book, I sort of had this sense that I needed to sort of write something like a devotional or another book alongside it. Because in the in fiction, we're always showing art where you that's what we want to do with our writing. And we don't want to tell readers how to feel or what to think we kind of want to show it in lots of different ways. But I felt like if I had the fictional book that shows then I could have a nonfiction book that that told you could be a bit more telling. Yeah. So to speak. So my instant apostle came back to me and said, it wasn't the book. For them, I kind of had to process through the emotions because obviously, that, like I said, at the start is a dream for all of us writers to be published. So you have to kind of handle that rejection, which we expect. But even though we expect it, it doesn't necessarily mean it's suddenly sort of easy when we have it. And I kind of weave my faith worked through and the emotions and went back to them and realised there was there was so much good, good sort of advice that they'd given me. And I was able to sort of say to them, Thank you for this. And also, I hope that you'll consider other manuscripts from me in the future of which not knowing, but still going, is one of them. So, to my surprise, when the publishers came back and said, Well, actually, we'd be interested in in reading that manuscript. So I was like, wow, you know, that's, that's really encouraging, you know, and then what I had to do was write it. Indeed, so you can kind of see, it's a bit of a different, different route I've had, I mean, I've got a writing journal and I had ideas for not knowing but still going throughout, it is something that I you can see in my sort of creative process over a period of time I've thought about, it's just that I hadn't actually drafted it into a document with bullet points. And so that's what I spent last year doing. And for me, lockdown was a blessing here in the UK, and also not sort of being in full time employment to be able to give the time to, to write the manuscript.
Wendy Jones:Well, hey, that's a great story. And well done for getting it published, you know, and well done for persevering because I think, as far as we're talking about, you know, being a debut author here, but the literature publication is important as well. And it will give encouragement to people that perhaps haven't, and you just pushed it, you said, Well, look, that's not suitable for you. But what about this? And then they said, Oh, we'll read it. That's that sort of thing that happens to me, you know, you see all you're interested in there. So you send it to us. And you think, Well, I better write it. You know, but it's just pushing the envelope and saying, Would you be interested in anything else? And then, you know, you don't know what they'll say. So that's good advice. So what did the Period up to the publication date look like for you?
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Okay, well, that was quite an intense, intense time, because obviously, once they said that, they'd set the manuscript and then you sign the contract. And then you know, you're going to have a book in your hands at the end of it. And I suppose it's two things I think as a writer, you, for me, personally, I want you to kind of focus quite intense, tensely, you know, on that next step of the writing journey, and then you also have access to a whole team of people that you haven't, that you haven't had before. And obviously, for me, being a debut author, I've not had any experience of working with publishers. So it was kind of learning about, you know, everything you needed to sort of pitch in with your thoughts from sort of a book blurb to them sort of telling you about the cover. And then for me, the editing process was the real intense part of the journey actually having an editor to work with. Because, you know, I've written You know, when you write annual, you're just your voice in your head, and you're putting the words on the page, you're, it's just you isn't it's just your your thoughts about your writing, but then suddenly having an editor come in, and really work through your manuscript and be looking at every word and making lots of comments. And if coming to it with the right attitude, isn't it?
Wendy Jones:Yes, yeah. Well,
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:you know, so it's not being on the, for me, it was like not being on the defensive, because that's the other thing, we can always feel a bit like, Oh, my, yeah. What does that mean? And oh, have I, you know, have I not written that well, or, and it can make you doubt yourself? So I really wanted to sort of think, no, this is a team. So you know, my editor, Sheila was fantastic with, you know, working with me, and I wanted it to kind of be that two way process. So I did invest a lot of time into the editing. I know, that can vary with different different writers, but I really wanted to learn from the process and kind of see how I can make my writing better from having that kind of editorial experience, because you don't get that all the all the time of your writing, do you?
Wendy Jones:No, no, it's good. And to be honest, we can learn from the editorial process. And that's the, that's the best thing you know, is to take it as a learning process rather than a personal attack. Because seriously, you'd think they were killing your firstborn, if they remove one word, you know, from a manuscript to remove the word that that's important that that is important.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:They say about your precious darlings, don't they? There's that saying about your precious darlings in your writing, but actually, you realise sometimes the things that you hold on to the most when you look at it through a different lens, actually isn't and it's that suggestions that that people can you know, that they can give to you. So when she left sort of made comments or question things, and it just makes you take a step back and question it as well. Absolutely, yeah.
Wendy Jones:So moving on. Yeah. You launched during a pandemic, no, which is launching during a pandemic is a different thing altogether. So how did this affect your book launch?
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:I know pandemic does mean different situations, doesn't it? For us, it's not the everyday, everyday norm. And it's not what you might have sort of pictured with your first book launch to be. So in those moments, when you might imagine, oh, I've actually got a book coming out and what will my book launch be? It's, it's not that kind of in a bookshop scenario or being able to see people. But for me, I think there are actually quite a lot of pros to being in a, in a pandemic, with thinking of a book launch because of technology. And being able to connect with people from all across the world, it actually meant that I could have people and friends from different countries attending my book launch. So what I chose to do was to have a zoom, that launch on my publication day because I wanted to mark the mark the milestone and to be able to share it and celebrate it with people. I think that's important. Whenever you hide things, then that's my notifications.
Wendy Jones:I didn't get a ping. You know,
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:That's good.
Wendy Jones:If I didn't hear it the recording won't pick it up.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Okay, well, then we just told everyone, I've had some things on my mind.
Wendy Jones:We don't mind. spontaneity
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:It's how you how you handle the unexpected. But yeah, so I had a zoom book launch, because I wanted to mark the, the milestone and, and it was great. I think that's the thing that you have to be creative and think of different ways with the pandemic. But it doesn't mean that you can't do things, you just do things differently. Yeah. So it meant, I guess, that you didn't have the body language or the physical interaction necessarily of having people in a room. But it did mean I could have family joined from the US, friend from Canada family from all over the UK. And it was brilliant, you were able to come as well. And so that meant you could kind of share the experience more widely, which is different to a Becker local bookshop event, isn't there?
Wendy Jones:Yeah, absolutely. Things are completely different in pandemic, and it does open up things. And to be honest, I think in a lot of ways people might have hybrid things in the future. So they might have one in a bookshop, if we ever allowed to do book launches in bookshops again. But we might but then we might do it on zoom as well, we might open up zoom to that. So people who are in Australia, or America or Canada can actually watch from the US bringing out the actual physical book launch in the UK. And or it might be a Facebook Live, as well as a book launch. And I did that once. It wasn't for a book launch. But it was for a book event in London. They'd never done Facebook Live before for it. And they said, Do you mind if we Facebook Live at an hour? No, not at all. And it was amazing. Because I was in London and people from Scotland were watching and sending in questions. And, you know, I had an entire conversation so and people in America were like, Hey, this is great. Wendy, you're going to do this again as well. Possibly. To be honest, I've never done it again. Just it was circumstance rather than I forgot. But you're right, it does open things up, technology was opened things up.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:It does that it means is rife with we can kind of think about how we do things. So like with the book launch, I think all that was that moment, but it doesn't mean I can't have another local book launched in my town, I'm still hoping I can do something with local book shops or if you're in another place, and then you've got a bookshop near you that you couldn't approach them and say, you know, I'm in the area. Can I come in and do something here? Yes, it is lovely to be able to extend it to your readers across the wild, isn't it?
Wendy Jones:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So what has life been like for you since the launch?
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Oh, it's well, it's being an author, isn't it? That's what's so lovely thinking. I'm a published, published author now. And so you have to kind of reflect on that moment, because it's like you have your launch, which is I suppose that with anything like if you're planning a birthday party or an event, you have all the build up to it, and then you have it, and then it's like the what do you do afterwards? Yeah. But I think for us, it's sort of writers and authors. It's it's that continual sensor, still working, working on the book. So thinking about what can I do with a book. Next, it's published now, which is brilliant. So what other steps can I take and working on being able to sort of extend the reach of it and share the book with other people? So I haven't kind of just thought, right, it's out there, I don't need to do anything. Now step back. So it's balancing that though, about that kind of continuum momentum that you have to kind of say, hey, not knowing that still going, is out there. And you can and you can read it within also loving writing and, and wanting to work on work on new things. Yeah. And do other kind of, you know, other things in life as well. So it's that that sort of balance? Yeah, yes. Yeah.
Wendy Jones:No, it is a balance because you've got to write other things. But you also need to market and promote the book that you've just brought out. Because there's a two week plateau, they say that the first two weeks it will carry on and then it dips again. So you need to constantly be thinking of ways of getting the word out. And I think that's what a lot of debut authors might not realise. You know, that it's always a constant. Not battle, a constant movement forward, is think of what I'm trying to say. Yeah.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Yeah, that kind of makes sense. Because you use it. You see, it's not just that you stopped there on the mountain. You can you can celebrate hoisting the flag up, but then you still need to keep carrying, carrying the flag of your book, and not just not being that's it. Yeah, yeah.
Wendy Jones:I know, one of the things you're doing to keep the momentum going is a blog tour. Now, I'm interested, how did you organise it? And how is it going so far?
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:I know a blog tour, it's a lovely thought to think of a blog tour. I mean, these are the the new things that you think of when you have a book, actually, you know, publish that there's so many different angles that you can take with being able to plan to market it. So how did the blog tour come about what I've seen and read blog blog tours for joy? margetts, who's another? Oh, yeah, and author and rooster lane. And I remember thinking, Oh, that's a really good, you know, good idea. I enjoyed reading about their books. And when I read other blogs that give book reviews. And so what I did is reach out to sort of the writing, writing community and sort of say, Would anyone be willing to do this, that it was brilliant to have you. And you know, you offer to be part of the blog, too, and you started it off, as well, which is fantastic. You got it off to a brilliant, brilliant start.
Wendy Jones:I put more effo t into that blog than I do y novel
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:I mean, it was it was a lovely, lovely blog. And that's what some, what's very encouraging about having a blog tour is that you've got other people, other writers and authors who've actually read your read your book, and they're not under any obligation to sort of say nice things about it. It's their honest, you know, review of the book, but it's going I mean, it's going really, really well, we're on day three, at the moment, I've got like a seven day blog tour, and I know they can vary as to how how you want to organise them. And I just as I said it, I think it's that sense of having other people's opinions and thoughts and how they've read it. Because you can always think, I think we think about our books in certain ways. or there might be things that we, we, we think of in the book is Oh, I'm not sure about that. But then other people come back and they say they really like that angle, or they got something from it, or they've read something else. And it's meant that to them, I can I kind of think of it as like in an art gallery, it's like when you look at a painting. And for you, something stands out like a picture or an image or an emotion that you connect with them, but with the artists was to come and stand by you. And you were to say, Well, what are you thinking of that when you did that? Or that colour? They probably would have very different. Yes, different thoughts when when you sort of thing. And that's what I think a blog tour does as well for your the widest sense of marketing is that it opens it up to to people so they're not just hearing your your voice or maybe what you want to say about your book, but they're hearing lots of other people's different views. And hopefully that will encourage people not to kind of pick up and read it for themselves.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, no, that's the idea. I mean, just to take it just slightly further, I will say for the listeners that that you can get organised blog tours as well. You don't have to do it yourself. So there are organisers out there, you can pay them, and they will organise a blog tour for you. You know, there are some really good ones up here in Scotland. You know, there's Lindsey Adams, there's Kelly Lacey. They all do excellent blog tours, and they do a really good job. I'm very fortunate in that my way back to the buffalo book, the new one that he goes to the world wide games is going to have a blog tour, and apparently it's going to be for two weeks. Yeah, it's going to be popular. It's popular, apparently, Nigeria is cute. But blog tours, whatever the book you're doing be a Christian book, be it you know, Christian fiction, be it fiction, crime books, romance. Blog tours are a great idea because they get the word out to the wider population. Yeah, they get the word out to other people. Yeah, and that's what's important. And, you know, readers are saying what they think of your book, and other people will take note of that, you know, so hopefully it will drive people to but it will drive sales, it will drive people to want to buy it to be intrigued and want to buy it. So I think the really good idea quite frankly, so well done.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Thank you. And I love the fact that Bertie is going on a blog tour. As well,
Wendy Jones:not only is he going to Tokyo for the World W de games, he's going on a blog t ur. He's a busy chap. Anyway, w're here to talk about you not b ck to the Buffalo, he gets in t e midst of everything.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:You never know he could have been on the ark. I'm sure there were buffalo
Wendy Jones:Oh, he would have been on belive me, he'd have b en the first one on. So what w rds of advice would you have for anyone whose first book is abou to be pub
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Okay, well, I think I'd say three, three things is seek out lots of information, including listening to your podcast, Wendy, looking at your reading your books, on marketing, because there's so much good advice out there. And like you said, with blog tours, it's like, you can arrange them yourselves, you can have people do them for you. So there's so much that we need to kind of consider. So I think once you know, you've got a publication date, do lots of do lots of research, make lots of notes, but kind of try not to think how you're going to do it all at that stage. just literally try and take on as much information that you that you can, yeah, yeah. And then I'd say step back from from that kind of research and thinking and think, what do I want to do myself? Now? What can I actually do? And because though there may be, you know, 1 million things that I could do to promote my book or market it actually, what can I achieve? What's, you know, how much time Can I invest? what's what's sort of achievable, within the time I have available? And then crucially, I'd say plan, you're not going to be able to do everything at once. So maybe give yourself some sort of pre publication tasks you can do. And then think, okay, publication date, what am I going to do to mark that? And then think post publication? And like you said, with that kind of how the impetus can wear off and you have that two week low equal, how can I keep that momentum going? And keep keep planning? So I mean, I had a, I had a plan, and I have a plan. And it's, I need to go back on it now and review it and think, well, how can I keep working on it? I think it's that sense of as your as an author, as you build up more books, it doesn't mean that you will ever forget that the books that you have in your repertoire mean, you've got loads of books, Wendy? So you're probably I would imagine always all the time thinking, well, how can I promote the books that I've written and that I'm about to write, and then you've got 3030 coming out, which is fantastic. So I think it's that sense of not losing tracks, if you have a plan, it means that you're not kind of scrambling. Yeah. And it helps you feel a bit more, less stressed. Because you can kind of think with everything. How do I do all of this? You know, especially with it when you're a debut author, and you haven't got that experience of, of having been through it readily, you can feel that you have to do everything, but it's not really achievable.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, yeah. Oh, I know, having a plan does make you feel that this is achievable, because it's written down there, and you can work your way through it. Whereas if you don't have a plan, it's just milling around in your head, and you think, oh, my goodness, I can't do any of this is too much to do. You know, but writing it down. You think Well, I do that this week, I'll do this next week, I'll do this next week or even tomorrow, you know, then you get you give your brain permission to stop thinking about it till tomorrow. Because, you know, otherwise, you're thinking, Oh, my goodness, I've got to do all of this. How am I going to get it all done? The brain is a funny thing.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Definitely.
Wendy Jones:So have you got another book in the pipeline?
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Or are there more books out that? ell, I've, I've got a hildren's book that I've ritten that I need to kind of olish up the manuscript. on hat one, I have a couple of deas for some books. So for a iction book and for a onfiction I've kind of started n them. But I've given my brain little bit of a reprieve. I've een doing more sort of flash iction or short story writing, specially when you're busy on he promotion work to still have hat joy of creating, you know, hat creativity and I think hat's important and that's omething I'd sort of recommend ven if you can only have little oments and that's where I find lash helpful because you're nly writing a very very short tory. But I know Allison cCarver has a quote from her. he's a writer and a professor t the University of Chichester heory as she was saying with a hort story, you can often write t from a from an image that ith a book, you need to have a ood foundation. Yeah. And kind f like a good sense of ideas ar wise. I kind of quite like hat quote from her. It's not ot exact, but it just does make ou realise when you're thinking f a book you do again need to ave a bit of a plan. Yeah, so I uess I'm giving myself a little it of time to formulate a plan ut also not procrastinate which s procrastination. I find linic cleaning up and last week ecause I was procrastinating. o that's no good.
Wendy Jones:I think all authors have a PhD in procrastination. We're good at it
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Yeah, yeah But I'd love to write. I'd love to write more books. And there's definitely more books more books in the pipeline, hope.
Wendy Jones:Excellent. Well, we shall await that. So all podcasts have to come to an end at some point. And so my final question is, where can my listeners find out more about you and your book?
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Okay, so you can find out more about me by searching online social media for Jocelyn and Harvey and then you'll find me on Instagram and Facebook. And then not knowing but still going available from quite a lot of online. online stores. Don't forget your local book shops, as well. And also you can go on to instant apostles website websites and search for me.
Wendy Jones:Excellent. And I know you can also get it from the Barnabas Christian bookshop and you can find out how to do that on my blog. The burning station bookshop is only online at the moment, but it will be opening with great aplomb in Dundee at the end of July.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Fantastic.
Wendy Jones:We got to give a plug for local bookshops. What's your local bookshop? Jocelyn on
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:definitely. We've got books and I and then we've got living words. So books alive is in home living words in Bogner. And then there's a wedding tabernacle bookshop, actually there's quite a few local book shops,
Wendy Jones:gosh, around the area, you're doing brilliantly I want an only Christian bookshop closed down but the managers are reopening as Barnabas Christian bookshop, it was a CRC bookshop, so it wasn't it was closed down rather than anything closing it down. You know what I mean? So the the manager from there is no opening. I'll give a shout out. His name is Mark Buchanan, and he's a lovely man. And him and his wife, Danny are going to be opening the bookshop at the end of July in Dundee. So if you're listening to this from Scotland, we're getting a new bookshop. Yay. Yay.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:That's brilliant. You've got you want to set up the party poppers and bookshops are so great to go into aren't they. You just go n for one thing, and then you ha e a rummage and yes, it's lovel
Wendy Jones:Absolutely. Brilliant. Brilliant. So thank you very much, Jocelyn. And it's been an absolute pleasure chatting to you. And I hope you have a good day.
Jocelyn-Anne Harvey:Thank you so much, Wendy and you have a good day too.
Wendy Jones:Thank you. Bye. Bye. That brings us to the end of another show. It was really good to have you on the show with me today. I'm Wendy h Jones. And you can find me at Wendy H jones.com. You can also find me on Patreon where you can support me for as little as $3 a month which is less than the price of a tea or coffee. You go to patreon.com forward slash when the H Jones. I'm also when to h Jones on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Pinterest. Thank you for joining me today and I hope you found it both useful and interesting. Join me next week when I will have another cracking guest for you. Until then, have a good week and keep writing. Keep reading and keep learning